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	<title>Comments on: Downton Abbey Season 2 Finale: Tonight You&#8217;re Mine Completely</title>
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	<description>This Jane Austen blog brings Jane Austen, her novels, and the Regency Period alive through food, dress, social customs, and other 19th C. historical details related to this topic.</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher J Squire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher J Squire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed the comic subplot with the monkey and was moved by the arrival of the first Kindertransport http://www.kindertransport.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the comic subplot with the monkey and was moved by the arrival of the first Kindertransport <a href="http://www.kindertransport.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kindertransport.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Tessaro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Tessaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve decided that what makes Downton Abbey work despite all of the valid issues raised here is exactly what Julian Fellowes intended to write about:  growth.  Thanks to the social and scientific changes of that time, every character must grow and change.  Some embrace it, others have it forced upon them, but it&#039;s everywhere in each episode.  My two favorite &quot;growers&quot; are Mary and Daisy, which may not be an accident.  After all, didn&#039;t Mary start out just as unsatisfied with her life and her prospects as Daisy?  In an odd way, they are growing toward one another:  Mary is discovering a broader, more human reality, and Daisy is just beginning to glimpse what it means to be part of a family.  They&#039;ve each come so far, while others (O&#039;brien and Thomas) seem to take the proverbial one step forward and two steps back.  But Fellowes&#039; brilliant understanding that this particular time in history was a character-development machine makes all the quibbles fade for me.  Now we&#039;re to have even greater forces introduced as Cora&#039;s (no doubt emphatically American) mother shows up.  Can&#039;t wait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided that what makes Downton Abbey work despite all of the valid issues raised here is exactly what Julian Fellowes intended to write about:  growth.  Thanks to the social and scientific changes of that time, every character must grow and change.  Some embrace it, others have it forced upon them, but it&#8217;s everywhere in each episode.  My two favorite &#8220;growers&#8221; are Mary and Daisy, which may not be an accident.  After all, didn&#8217;t Mary start out just as unsatisfied with her life and her prospects as Daisy?  In an odd way, they are growing toward one another:  Mary is discovering a broader, more human reality, and Daisy is just beginning to glimpse what it means to be part of a family.  They&#8217;ve each come so far, while others (O&#8217;brien and Thomas) seem to take the proverbial one step forward and two steps back.  But Fellowes&#8217; brilliant understanding that this particular time in history was a character-development machine makes all the quibbles fade for me.  Now we&#8217;re to have even greater forces introduced as Cora&#8217;s (no doubt emphatically American) mother shows up.  Can&#8217;t wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Field</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Field]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper dolls idea is a terrific thing! I also appreciate that the artist explained his work ethic about intellectual rights. I totally respect that.

One thing that I&#039;ve not seen anybody mention about the Mary/Pamuk situation. Mary had a man break into her room (because a servant, Thomas?, led him there) and had probably never been instructed on what to do if this ever happened. She hadn&#039;t been exposed to the sexual abuse information that we have in our age. If she screamed, that would have drawn attention to the horrible situation she was in and she might have thought that they wouldn&#039;t believe her. He threatened her. He was physically threatening in his postures and how quickly he moved. I think that this was initiated in a startled and threatening way and that Mary just didn&#039;t know what recourse she had. The fact that she found her body responding probably was why she felt guilty. Of all that I&#039;ve read and learned on this topic, I think Mary was bearing blame for something that she didn&#039;t ask for or would have encouraged. Pamuk forced himself on her. I wish that this would have been brought out in the series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper dolls idea is a terrific thing! I also appreciate that the artist explained his work ethic about intellectual rights. I totally respect that.</p>
<p>One thing that I&#8217;ve not seen anybody mention about the Mary/Pamuk situation. Mary had a man break into her room (because a servant, Thomas?, led him there) and had probably never been instructed on what to do if this ever happened. She hadn&#8217;t been exposed to the sexual abuse information that we have in our age. If she screamed, that would have drawn attention to the horrible situation she was in and she might have thought that they wouldn&#8217;t believe her. He threatened her. He was physically threatening in his postures and how quickly he moved. I think that this was initiated in a startled and threatening way and that Mary just didn&#8217;t know what recourse she had. The fact that she found her body responding probably was why she felt guilty. Of all that I&#8217;ve read and learned on this topic, I think Mary was bearing blame for something that she didn&#8217;t ask for or would have encouraged. Pamuk forced himself on her. I wish that this would have been brought out in the series.</p>
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		<title>By: dentelline</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love paper dolls! It&#039;s too nice!
Thanks Kyle Hilton for sharing!
Have a good day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love paper dolls! It&#8217;s too nice!<br />
Thanks Kyle Hilton for sharing!<br />
Have a good day!</p>
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		<title>By: unpub</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s probably just that I enjoyed the first series so much, that I found the second disappointing. It was as though the second had been written with one eye on what the viewer would like to happen, rather than what the characters (so well developed in the first series) would choose to do.

There is a lovely little series running in the UK at the moment - &quot;Call the Midwife&quot; - based on the novels of Jennifer Worth and set in the East End of London in the 1950s. It&#039;s well worth looking out for - the plot is simple, but the characters are so engaging and believable. i hope the second series stays true to those characters and to the books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably just that I enjoyed the first series so much, that I found the second disappointing. It was as though the second had been written with one eye on what the viewer would like to happen, rather than what the characters (so well developed in the first series) would choose to do.</p>
<p>There is a lovely little series running in the UK at the moment &#8211; &#8220;Call the Midwife&#8221; &#8211; based on the novels of Jennifer Worth and set in the East End of London in the 1950s. It&#8217;s well worth looking out for &#8211; the plot is simple, but the characters are so engaging and believable. i hope the second series stays true to those characters and to the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was aired last night! I didn&#039;t want to place spoilers on the blog, ergo the paper dolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was aired last night! I didn&#8217;t want to place spoilers on the blog, ergo the paper dolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Steps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I think it fit quite well with Lady Mary&#039;s character that she refuses to defend herself. It was an act of rebellion, and yet she feels responsible. It&#039;s similar to Sybil&#039;s relationship with Branson in my opinion. I&#039;d say she also doubted she&#039;d be believed that she hadn&#039;t told him where her room was etc. 

Women had a raw deal about this sort of thing for a long time; think about it, we&#039;re still dealing with the &#039;oh, she must have done something to deserve it/she was asking for it/well if you&#039;re going to wear clothes like that&#039; attitudes today... The fact that she didn&#039;t fight him off also means she couldn&#039;t have accused him of rape according to the laws at the time; you had to be able to prove you&#039;d continuously tried to fight him off as far as I know...

As for Sir Richard, I sort of felt sorry for him... He&#039;s dealing with so much prejudice from her family and she doesn&#039;t even really properly defend him an awful lot when they have a scene together. Add that to her constantly looking after Matthew, who has a fiance as does she. Yes, the audience knows they have to end up together but Richard is her fiance, she did agree to marry him and how humiliating must it be if your intended would rather spend time with her handsome, invalid cousin than her own fiance? Yes, he&#039;s a bit of a jerk, but he wouldn&#039;t have got to where he is without being that way. The guy he&#039;s based on in real life was a megalomaniac who never married, so he didn&#039;t really have much options open to him...

Ooh, I wanted to watch Upstairs last night but I had to go to help my friend out with a film project she&#039;s doing. Maybe next week...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think it fit quite well with Lady Mary&#8217;s character that she refuses to defend herself. It was an act of rebellion, and yet she feels responsible. It&#8217;s similar to Sybil&#8217;s relationship with Branson in my opinion. I&#8217;d say she also doubted she&#8217;d be believed that she hadn&#8217;t told him where her room was etc. </p>
<p>Women had a raw deal about this sort of thing for a long time; think about it, we&#8217;re still dealing with the &#8216;oh, she must have done something to deserve it/she was asking for it/well if you&#8217;re going to wear clothes like that&#8217; attitudes today&#8230; The fact that she didn&#8217;t fight him off also means she couldn&#8217;t have accused him of rape according to the laws at the time; you had to be able to prove you&#8217;d continuously tried to fight him off as far as I know&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Sir Richard, I sort of felt sorry for him&#8230; He&#8217;s dealing with so much prejudice from her family and she doesn&#8217;t even really properly defend him an awful lot when they have a scene together. Add that to her constantly looking after Matthew, who has a fiance as does she. Yes, the audience knows they have to end up together but Richard is her fiance, she did agree to marry him and how humiliating must it be if your intended would rather spend time with her handsome, invalid cousin than her own fiance? Yes, he&#8217;s a bit of a jerk, but he wouldn&#8217;t have got to where he is without being that way. The guy he&#8217;s based on in real life was a megalomaniac who never married, so he didn&#8217;t really have much options open to him&#8230;</p>
<p>Ooh, I wanted to watch Upstairs last night but I had to go to help my friend out with a film project she&#8217;s doing. Maybe next week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When do you guys get the &#039;Christmas Special&#039; episode. Not going to lie, it&#039;s a pretty important 2 hours of story...

Final ep of season 2 is something extra.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do you guys get the &#8216;Christmas Special&#8217; episode. Not going to lie, it&#8217;s a pretty important 2 hours of story&#8230;</p>
<p>Final ep of season 2 is something extra.</p>
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		<title>By: Steps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see what you mean. Then again, it was a little easier for Cranford as it&#039;s based on stories written by Elizabeth Gaskell whereas Downton is entirely written by Fellowes. Plus, if you set it around such a turbulent point in history there are going to be certain key events that history nerds are going to expect.

Still, it was a bit disappointing. Everyone kind of knows it&#039;s only a matter of time before Matthew and Mary get together etc. They&#039;re just waiting for the how and when... 

Having said that, I did still enjoy it. The lines are great and the actors play their parts wonderfully, even if Thomas is the most fantastically Machiavellian villain ever. That cut out doll - spot on!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you mean. Then again, it was a little easier for Cranford as it&#8217;s based on stories written by Elizabeth Gaskell whereas Downton is entirely written by Fellowes. Plus, if you set it around such a turbulent point in history there are going to be certain key events that history nerds are going to expect.</p>
<p>Still, it was a bit disappointing. Everyone kind of knows it&#8217;s only a matter of time before Matthew and Mary get together etc. They&#8217;re just waiting for the how and when&#8230; </p>
<p>Having said that, I did still enjoy it. The lines are great and the actors play their parts wonderfully, even if Thomas is the most fantastically Machiavellian villain ever. That cut out doll &#8211; spot on!</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a question we&#039;d like answered by someone - why does Lady Mary not defend herself?  Pamuk said he would expose her if she didn&#039;t let him have his way with her and she never tells anyone that.  So, she couldn&#039;t even scream him off.

Also, Sir Richard is written in a one dimensional way and ruthless individuals usually have a cunning charming side.  It would have been more interesting with a scene or two where he wasn&#039;t so abrasive.

Tony, we&#039;re waiting for Upstairs now - sounds gripping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question we&#8217;d like answered by someone &#8211; why does Lady Mary not defend herself?  Pamuk said he would expose her if she didn&#8217;t let him have his way with her and she never tells anyone that.  So, she couldn&#8217;t even scream him off.</p>
<p>Also, Sir Richard is written in a one dimensional way and ruthless individuals usually have a cunning charming side.  It would have been more interesting with a scene or two where he wasn&#8217;t so abrasive.</p>
<p>Tony, we&#8217;re waiting for Upstairs now &#8211; sounds gripping.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Birdsong is the last offering from PBS Masterpiece Classic. Mystery and Modern will follow!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Birdsong is the last offering from PBS Masterpiece Classic. Mystery and Modern will follow!</p>
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		<title>By: LadyWadie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LadyWadie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Birdsong is coming here, as well, yes?  I left London the Saturday before the first of two episodes aired there...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Birdsong is coming here, as well, yes?  I left London the Saturday before the first of two episodes aired there&#8230;</p>
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